MLE Podcast Season 2 Episode 8

“The Somatic Dance: Curating a Life in the Midst of Breakdown” with Prof Shay Welch

Release date: 15th May, 2025.

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What does enacting the world look like for organisms who are not thriving, but merely surviving? What happens when we don’t have access to the activities that are organism-defining? How to curate a life from the edge, when one is cast out of the relational web because of illness or disability?

These are questions that Professor Shay Welch is asking herself today, and not because the questions have a theoretical draw, but because, as she shares in this candid conversation, these questions have become the throbbing centrepiece of her daily life. At the time we spoke, Shay was facing a series of mysterious medical diagnoses and in one year’s time, saw her life get turned on its head.

Exploring this journey together, we discussed the epistemic injustices facing women and marginalized persons in medicine and academia; what is needed to sustain a minimal integrity of the organism when the body breaks down; the necessary conditions for participatory sense-making to happen well between two people; the deeply political nature of any epistemological framework, not least the enactive framework; and the ‘somatic dance,’ as Shay puts it, of trying to figure out how much of the world is moving you and how much of you is moving with the world. Shay’s cutting wit and unflinching realism was a refreshing antidote to many of the world’s harrowing displays of sophistry, authoritarianism, and bigotry at the moment, and her observations helped to shed light on how trust in the body, and in first-person experience more broadly, is a powerful seed of resistance for these times.

This conversation is the final episode of Season 2, and draws upon our first conversation with Prof Shay Welch and Karen Grøn on curating and participatory sense-making in Semester 4 of MLE’s Core Enaction Programme.